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Post by foreverflamefan on Dec 26, 2020 4:46:22 GMT
I hope the Flames do good in this division, but something tells me they'll be nothing but mediocre.
I think with the veteran presence the Leafs added (Simmonds, Thornton, Brodie) they're going to be a much tougher team to beat. I think they go far.
What are your thoughts on this unprecedented season?
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Post by cyclone on Dec 26, 2020 5:04:03 GMT
I figure Toronto is the only team clearly set for a playoff spot.
I think Ottawa isn’t good enough yet and Vancouver backslid in the off-season.
So I think Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg and Montreal will fight for three playoff spots. I really hope it comes down to goaltending because then the greasers would miss the playoffs yet again.
Also not sure that Toronto took a step forward except in backup goalie. Brodie is competent but we have seen his inconsistency. Thornton and Simmonds in but Marleau out plus Spezza is a year older. I think their only true upgrade is a potential great season from Nick Robertson.
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Post by redhawk12 on Dec 26, 2020 5:38:48 GMT
I'm fairly optimistic about the Flames this season. I'm expecting a bounce-back from Gaudreau and Monahan. I think Lindholm and Tkachuk will form a new line and be dangerous. I'm guessing Gio continues to regress but Andersson and Valimaki step up. And I think Markstrom will be the #1 we haven't had since Kipper.
My prediction is we finish 2nd behind Toronto but push them 'til the end for best in the division. We'll see how well this prediction holds up haha
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Post by dammage79 on Dec 26, 2020 6:01:08 GMT
Flames win the division. Nikita Nesterov, having matured as a player in Russia since his last stint, is a revelation in a good way to the fans and makes the Flames defense corps rock solid.
Bold prediction? Monahan pots 40 goals in a 56 game season. Score 0 in the playoffs.
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Post by dammage79 on Dec 26, 2020 6:02:48 GMT
Oh, and Ottawa will be the nothing to lose darlings of the NHL this year. Winning a playoff spot on the last day and winning a series along the way.
If you see the picture I'm painting, you'll get it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 15:43:11 GMT
I just think when they are playing teams three times in a row, there may be lots of fights in the Canadian division.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 15:58:51 GMT
9 and 10 games against the same opponents all season is a bit of a drag. If you extrapolate that to a full season it's like playing the same team 15 times in an 82 game regular season. Plus after the regular season you get two playoff series with those same teams. Don't get me wrong, I'm pumped to have some hockey in a few weeks just playing Ottawa 9 times in a 3 or 4 month span takes a bit of the shine off.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 16:23:46 GMT
9 and 10 games against the same opponents all season is a bit of a drag. If you extrapolate that to a full season it's like playing the same team 15 times in an 82 game regular season. Plus after the regular season you get two playoff series with those same teams. Don't get me wrong, I'm pumped to have some hockey in a few weeks just playing Ottawa 9 times in a 3 or 4 month span takes a bit of the shine off. If the flames are winning and the oilers are losing, who cares the matchups
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Post by furnaceface on Dec 26, 2020 23:37:31 GMT
I think I’ll get tired of endless games with the same teams. I get nhl.tv every year so I can watch games out east or in different markets. I’m torn this year. I’m not impressed with the price they are charging for less games, but then forced to see Canucks vs Greasers or Sens Leafs 10 times while I know I could be watching Pens Flyers, Canes Lightning or Avs Knights instead would blow. I guess it’s justifiable as I’m not going to live games and it’s basically the cost of one game.
Back on topic I think The Leafs end up with the division Ottawa is playing for the future then it’s who knows between the other 5. Paper says Flames would be fighting with the Leafs but we all know how good we are an underachieving. I’m most interested in seeing how good Montreal is with all their new parts. I’ll predict it all comes down to how many wins the backup goalies can get.
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Post by drcor on Dec 27, 2020 0:49:41 GMT
I am going to guess it ends up looking like this:
Toronto Calgary Edmonton Montreal Winnipeg Vancouver Ottawa
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Post by fordprefect on Dec 27, 2020 1:26:09 GMT
I’d drop Edmonton and Montreal down below Winnipeg. Then a toss up between Toronto, Calgary Winterpeg at the top. If anyone stumbles too hard Ottawa will pass them. Edmonton has the best chance to be that stumble butt. You can take it to your bookie.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 16:33:49 GMT
I don't think Toronto is the obvious favourite. I do not like their team building.
FORWARD
Simmons looks done to me. His style of play wasn't sustainable for his body (185lbs) and he'll be little more than a 4th line semi-goon/healthy scratch. Spezza has little value any more and is just a poor man's Joe Thornton now. Joe Thornton is almost a poor man's Joe Thornton himself. He needs protected ice time and a specific type of linemates to continue to be effective.
Marner and Nylander are good players but they are not elite. That's the Toronto media hype machine. Both are one-dimensional and when they aren't offering that they have little to contribute. They are the Leafs' Gaudreau.
Tavares is excellent and Matthews is elite. Hyman and Mikheyev are solid pieces who play their roles well.
Vesey is one-dimensional and not very good at that dimension unless he gets absolutely prime, heavily-protected ice time
Kerfoot is average at best. Robertson probably isn't ready and needs prime, protected ice-time as well.
Engvall, Malgin, Agostino, Petan, Brooks is poor forward depth.
They lack clear shutdown defense forwards and as a team style their forwards do not contribute enough defensively.
DEFENSE
The defense isn't fixed unless Sandin, Lehtonen and Lilljegren are ready to step up and be effective players.
Reilly is very good and Muzzin is a warrior but may be at the beginning of a downside.
Brodie isn't a #2 any more. He's a #3-4 (like Muzzin). But a good 3-4.
Bogosian is a #6-7. Tampa made him look like a good #5 but that's Tampa. He was a #6-7 in Buffalo and that is what he is.
Justin Holl is an average #6-7 at best despite what all those Leaf fans who wanted to trade him and a 5th rounder for Bennett will tell you.
Lehtonen is a complete wildcard. Could be anything from a #2 to a healthy scratch. He has 5 games of North American-sized ice experience. The 2010-11 WJC-U17
Dermott is also abit of a wildcard though I think he may have some good upside. I doubt he gets much opportunity this year though.
GOAL
Their goaltending is good. Andersen needs to be the really good version of himself behind a weak defensive team, not last year's Andersen. In Campbell and Dell they have solid backup goaltending.
INTANGIBLES
To the point that they copied Tampa by improving team toughness they did it with marginal players on the downside (Simmons & Bogosian) rather than effective role players (Coleman, Goodrow, Maroon) and I don't believe they will benefit like Tampa did
Tavares is so invested in a Leafs' championship. Which sounds like a good thing but I think he's too tied to it. Since the end of the 70s Canadiens' dynasty I can only find 3 players who played a significant role on hometown championships, Messier, Vernon and Rafalski. It is usually hometown boys in specific roles such as Maroon or Abdelkader. I think that is a thing. The Leaf Pajamas curse I am calling it.
They have no salary cap flexibility. They have to make a major move to get some. One that they likely lose in the short-term
They have a lose-in-the-first-round-of-the-playoffs (I am counting this past season) karma that is becoming as much as mental thing as 1967 is. Thornton, Bogosian, Simmons and Lehtonen don't change that vibe.
OVERALL
I am not saying they are a bad team. I just don't buy into the clear favourite roll so many are giving them. I figure they should be good for a playoff spot this year. Probably third. I do not like the team construction.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 16:45:35 GMT
honestly, With so few teams, I think any prediction is a waste of time. I can't see Calgary last, but really most teams are one goalie injury away from last. The games are closer together, so backup goalies are more necessary and therefore teams like Winnipeg, Calgary, toronto may not do as well. But That won't effect Vancouver as much, and I'd argue the goalies are equal in edmonton so they won't be effected as much. I think Ottawa will possibly be good as they are younger overall, which may be helpful. I going to be bold and say it is unpredictable.
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Post by furnaceface on Dec 28, 2020 18:52:23 GMT
Thumbs up for “The Leafs Pyjamas Curse” term.
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