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Post by drcor on Jan 7, 2021 3:56:20 GMT
Well that was fucked up down South. Not sure if this is the start of something better or the first act of a new Civil War.
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Post by cyclone on Jan 7, 2021 4:00:28 GMT
So glad I am Canadian. We have our own issues but they will always pale by comparison.
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Post by fordprefect on Jan 7, 2021 4:05:38 GMT
Amen.
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Post by dammage79 on Jan 7, 2021 5:25:20 GMT
I think this will be the spark of an eventual civil war. Maybe 2 presidential terms from now is my guess.
Fuck, one GOP rep was on camera saying Hitler had it right (about some sort of thing, Hitler had nothing right).
So the fact theres reverence for nazi idealogy thats actually sitting in government says all anybody needs to say.
And with how flimsy the "blue" line was today, that ideology is seeded deep within all civic services.
Its only a matter of time IMO.
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Post by itsaflyboything on Jan 7, 2021 5:52:24 GMT
my poor mum has been watching some crackpot right wing "news" channel and getting stressed out because they keep saying there's going to be a civil war. first of all, there's not going to be a civil war. secondly, if there is, we get to shoot all the racists!  |
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Post by redhawk12 on Jan 7, 2021 6:41:27 GMT
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Post by drcor on Jan 7, 2021 6:59:54 GMT
I would like to think that you're right. The problem is an existential one. Decades of a changing world have meant that people have seen their version of reality overturned. There's a concept known as 'worldview threat' or 'ontological insecurity" which basically translates to having your world turned upside down. People who have this happen to them are much more susceptible to dangerous populist rhetoric because it reflects their feelings about things not being right in the world and gives them someone to blame for their plight. More dangerously facts don't matter more than feelings do, so you can't talk sense into someone who believes something that may even be personally destructive. They double down, feel more justified and conspired against. Meanwhile, liberals (guilty) keep doubling down on evidence and "rationality", and when that doesn't work, they write folks off as dumb hicks or whatever put-down they want to use.
The Blackfoot actually have a really fruitful approach to this problem, and point out (helpfully, I think) that you can't fix a 'feeling problem' with 'thinking' and that's exactly what we try to do. If you don't address feeling first, you get wrong thinking and wrong action. And no amount of effort to change thinking or acting will change until you address the deeply held resentments that have led to this situation.
Sorry to pontificate. It's something I've been working on professionally for the last year or so.
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Post by cyclone on Jan 7, 2021 13:23:43 GMT
Unfortunately we have the seeds of that here in Canada too.
The Western alienation is creating a base of ultra right wingers who fully believe that COVID is a world wide plot, wearing a mask is against civil rights, etc. The radical left discounts the right as hicks and Nazis so they double down with marches (BLM), attacks on infrastructure (Wet’suwet’en protests), and attacks on the oil patch (F Trudeau). And this further justifies the Right Wing views. The radical left is feeding the radical right and it is likely to end in some conflict or strengthen talk of separation.
There is no way to convince either side that they are wrong or there is a more moderate solution.
Two things Canada does have going for it: 1-we have way more people who are moderate than extreme (likely because we have more choice than just two political parties) and 2-we don’t have 1/3 of all the guns in the world like they do in the U.S.
And I believe safe and legal protest is fine.
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Post by furnaceface on Jan 8, 2021 23:50:28 GMT
He’s in a class by himself. As of today the first el presidente to be perma banned from Twitter. (To go along with book face)
I guess the big Cheeto will now be forced to give him personal details to Parler.
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Post by fordprefect on Jan 9, 2021 0:38:50 GMT
I agree with everything you said Hugh. Before COVID hit things in Canada around Western alienation, left vs right extremists, anti-oil patch politics, etc were headed in a direction that scared the shit out me. COVID put a lot of that of that on pause, and I sincerely hope entrenched partisans on all these issues observe and learn from what’s happening in the US and engage in some sober introspection. I’m a third generation Albertan. My family has been in Alberta for 120 years. I’m a proud Albertan and I understand full well the feelings behind Western alienation. But in no way do I support Western separation.
I love Alberta and I love Canada. I don’t want to lose either. It hurts me a lot when I hear my friends advocating that Alberta should separate, or when friends from other provinces falsely slag Alberta and Albertans. I’m deliberately not saying Easterners, or Ontarians, or Quebecers, because some of the most hurtful things I’ve heard have come out of the mouths of British Columbians and even other Albertans. In 2019, at my son’s wedding I was standing in line behind a guest who didn’t know I was there. She was a retired teacher from Victoria, and she was spouting off about Alberta...with false, hurtful propaganda. I was kind of shocked.
I may love Alberta the most, but I love all parts of Canada and all Canadians. I pray, in as much as I pray, that we can collectively pull back from the frightening path we’re on.
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Post by cyclone on Jan 9, 2021 2:28:47 GMT
I briefly thought the separation idea had merit. I think differently now. But when you are facing rising unemployment, unfair representation, and constant attacks on your economy by your own federal government, I can at least understand where the separatists are coming from. But I am a Canadian before anything else.
But there are crackpots on both ends of the spectrum that seem to be get louder and emboldened. It makes it difficult to hold a nation together.
Biden says some of the right things to bridge that gap, maybe he can be the moderate to bring the U.S. back to sanity. We need someone more moderate in power in Canada before we get someone who is Trump-North in response to the increasing divide.
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Post by fordprefect on Jan 9, 2021 2:46:03 GMT
You and I are in lock step on this one Hugh.
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Post by wily1984 on Jan 9, 2021 3:40:54 GMT
I have been attempting to cut and paste a Vote for Pedro meme here for about the last 15 minutes but my tech savviness and the new site don't appear to jive at this time!
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Post by cyclone on Jan 9, 2021 3:46:43 GMT
I would vote for Pedro
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Post by fordprefect on Jan 9, 2021 4:14:14 GMT
I’m voting for King Zeke The Magnificent, aka my cat.
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Post by furnaceface on Jan 9, 2021 4:36:48 GMT
CNN has an incredible, insane, horrible video of these crazies trying to get through a door in the Capital and an officer getting crushed (survived) in the process but it’s ridiculous what these people were doing. all of this makes me really want to pack up and go to some island away from it all. |
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Post by fordprefect on Jan 9, 2021 5:01:39 GMT
I pretty much can do that where I live. Chance can vouch for that. I just have to tear myself away from CNN.
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Post by wily1984 on Jan 9, 2021 5:22:14 GMT
I like Islands...Makes me want a mojito!
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Post by drcor on Jan 9, 2021 5:33:58 GMT
Mmmm mojitos. Pick an island with big hills tho
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Post by fordprefect on Jan 9, 2021 8:21:14 GMT
St Lucia and its pitons.
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