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Post by arizonamarine on Feb 27, 2021 0:41:35 GMT
Revised trade.
I accept the new trade, with of course mod supervision and approval. We didn't mean to jump the gun, I messaged blindguy right away when I saw the first few comments regarding the original trade and discussed the trade with more pieces going to Boston. Guess I'll be needing to be reread the CBA. I'm sorry if some thought I was trying to fleece Boston, I wasn't. I was trying to make a good trade for me, who shockingly is in the top 3, and to Boston who is rebuilding. I appreciate the honest answers. One quick thing I have to add:
Arizona Receives:
John Carlson
Vincent Trocheck
Tyler Ennis
2022 3rd round pp (WPG)
Boston recieve:
David Krejci
Kevin Fiala
Jonas Brodin
Mads Sogaard
2021 Ufa 1st round pick
2022 pp 1st round
The 2022 3rd round PP was omitted in blindguy's post. Other than that, the deal looks good and has been agreed upon. Just waiting approval on everyone, as well as the mod approval.
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Original vetoed trade
Carlson and Trocheck are headed to the good ol’ desert in a blockbuster trade. To Boston Fiala Krejci Brodin 2021 1st round ufa To Arizona Carlson Trocheck Ennis This helps AZ’s push for a top spot in the playoffs. Boston gets a young Fiala, a 1st, a great defender, and a playoff center that he can trade for more assets or keep him. I wanted to keep Krejci but he keeps getting injured and he was making too much for me to keep him. Thanks for the trade talk blind guy. |
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Post by redhawk12 on Feb 27, 2021 0:43:51 GMT
I don't know about this one..
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Post by cyclone on Feb 27, 2021 1:39:24 GMT
Does this one look unfair to anyone else? Arizona is getting the best two players in this deal for essentially a young .5 ppg guy and a 1st rd pick that might as well be 2nd round.
Just my thoughts...
Full disclosure, I put in an objection
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Post by arizonamarine on Feb 27, 2021 3:01:12 GMT
Noted, thanks guys.
I’ll alter the deal with blind guy ASAP.
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Post by cyclone on Feb 27, 2021 3:16:44 GMT
You don’t have to unless we get enough votes. It was just my opinion.
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Post by foreverflamefan on Feb 27, 2021 5:11:27 GMT
It’s not far off, but Seth definitely has to sweeten the pot a bit.
I voted against it as I think Boston can get another pick. Fiala and a 1st are great additions for a rebuilding team, And Krejci and Brodin are no slouches but not exactly enough. Assuming Boston is flipping Krejci they can get an additional return.
I have voted this trade to be vetoed unless it’s amended. I like the idea though.
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Post by cyclone on Feb 27, 2021 5:15:06 GMT
It’s not far off, but Seth definitely has to sweeten the pot a bit. I voted against it as I think Boston can get another pick. Fiala and a 1st are great additions for a rebuilding team, And Krejci and Brodin are no slouches but not exactly enough. Assuming Boston is flipping Krejci they can get an additional return. I have voted this trade to be vetoed unless it’s amended. I like the idea though. Or maybe an elite prospect... |
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Post by fordprefect on Feb 27, 2021 15:01:34 GMT
My 2 cents...the keys are how you rate Fiala and the 1st. Is Fiala an emerging star, or somebody who had a good second half last season and otherwise underwhelmed? I traded him in the off season while his value was at its peak, so that tells you what I think of him. He’s been traded in this league a 2-3 times since then too so it seems others have reached the same conclusion. As for 1st UFAs, they’re overrated in this league if they’re outside the top 5. A bottom 20 pick is not much better than FA pool fodder. Better fodder than a 2nd rounder, but still nobody special.
I also factored in that Trochek and Carlson will be key contributors in the playoffs, so this deal impacts both the regular season and playoff races. I see the deal as 4 pieces of pretty much chaff (give or take your opinion on Fiala) for two solid regular season and playoff contributors. Carlson is better than solid. As a D he’s elite.
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Post by arizonamarine on Feb 27, 2021 17:31:17 GMT
I rated Fiala high because of his cap hit and RFA status... And for that reasoning I rated him higher than I guess some of you are thinking.
My original line of thinking was Fiala for Trocheck, and Carlson and Ennis for Krejci + Brodin + 1st. I also valued Brodin high, so perhaps my valuation of the Minnesota pairs are overrated.
I’m willing to give a couple more assets to Boston to make it fair, but i didn’t think I offered an absolute terrible deal. I was under the impression that Boston would trade Krejci for more assets, as he too will be a playoff contributor on a team destined to make yet another good run.
Boston and I are are likely to revise it.
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Post by dammage79 on Feb 27, 2021 17:40:52 GMT
IMO, Boston needs just a little bit more in return.
Don't think Fiala is as highly valued as proposed.
I look forward to seeing the revision.
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Post by furnaceface on Feb 27, 2021 19:47:30 GMT
Ok, this trade officially received enough votes. I have vetoed.
I think the discussion on this has been fairly open and there is some general guidance already given but for those who voted against and would prefer, you can let me know your reasons and what you think would balance things.
Mods will review and provide guidance back.
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My personal evaluation is Ennis is just an extra/roster fill with no real value for a rebuilder.
Fiala and Trochek are more even in my evaluation than some. One year I’d rather have Trochek. 3 year window it’s a bit more even. Depends how you think Minny will grow or if they will always be what they’ve always been, middle of the road.
As a long time Carlson owner in all three of our leagues, I would only move him for another top Dman back. I’ve bought in mostly to Lyle’s view that productive dmen have increased value. Therefore a PPG Dman is worth a ton. I like Brodin but he is around a 40 pt Dman in my view.
has passed his best before date. His high contract is up this year and I suspect he gets resigned at something more affordable but 34 is right at the border of getting another deal or heading to the Czech league. Right now his price for production would be tough to convert into another deal to a contender or playoff building team.
A late 1st is most likely to be converted into a somewhat productive roster fill. It can be used effectively for a rebuilder.
Nutshell, to me the return for Carlson isn’t enough and I’d only be looking to move him if I got an elite player back. Perhaps a top prospect in the mix would get me thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 21:25:01 GMT
appreciate all the discussion for this. We are back to the drawing board seeing what we can do better. My original thought process was that fiala would be the best addition when gathering young players for my future team. The first round draft pick seemed very valuable to me in accordance of how many teams are in the league. I know it is late but the first was still a first in my mindset. hopefully we can work this out in the end.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 21:34:15 GMT
The newest trade we have agreed upon is the following:
Arizona Receives:
John Carlson
Vincent Trocheck
Tyler Ennis
Boston recieve:
David Krejci
Kevin Fiala
Jonas Brodin
Mads Sogaard
2021 Ufa 1st round pick
2022 pp 1st round
explination: The 2022 1st pick and mads Sogaard are the upgrades to this trade. This gives me multiple important draft picks for the upcoming years as well as a prospect that I think very highly of.. fiala is a young and growing player that will contribute to my future plans of building.. brodin is he well rounded defence that can be valueable in the right situation. Krejci is purely there for Management management and will most likely be traded away in the near future.
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Post by cyclone on Feb 27, 2021 22:02:22 GMT
Please read rule 7.3. Let the mods discuss and come back to you. We can give an approval on the original deal or provide recommendations on how to revise. You are just jumping the gun a little bit.
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Post by foreverflamefan on Feb 27, 2021 22:03:30 GMT
Now that's definitely a nice haul for Boston. Good revision.
EDIT: but definitely have to talk to the mods about it.
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Post by dammage79 on Feb 27, 2021 22:05:45 GMT
Calgary owns ARZ 2021 and 2022 1st PP's respectively. Sorry fellas.
Edit: draft board hasn't been updated in a while.
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Post by arizonamarine on Feb 27, 2021 22:49:10 GMT
Calgary owns ARZ 2021 and 2022 1st PP's respectively. Sorry fellas. Edit: draft board hasn't been updated in a while. I don't remember trading my 2022 1st. Only remember trading the 2021 1st for Saros |
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Post by furnaceface on Feb 27, 2021 22:56:54 GMT
CGY and ARI have only had one trade this season. The Saros trade was posted by both of you independently which might be part of the confusion?
The revised trade did jump the gun a bit on process but we would have come back with similar guidance to what was agreed upon.
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Post by arizonamarine on Feb 27, 2021 23:14:19 GMT
I accept the new trade, with of course mod supervision and approval. We didn't mean to jump the gun, I messaged blindguy right away when I saw the first few comments regarding the original trade and discussed the trade with more pieces going to Boston. Guess I'll be needing to be reread the CBA. I'm sorry if some thought I was trying to fleece Boston, I wasn't. I was trying to make a good trade for me, who shockingly is in the top 3, and to Boston who is rebuilding. I appreciate the honest answers. One quick thing I have to add:
Arizona Receives:
John Carlson
Vincent Trocheck
Tyler Ennis
2022 3rd round pp (WPG)
Boston recieve:
David Krejci
Kevin Fiala
Jonas Brodin
Mads Sogaard
2021 Ufa 1st round pick
2022 pp 1st round
The 2022 3rd round PP was omitted in blindguy's post. Other than that, the deal looks good and has been agreed upon. Just waiting approval on everyone, as well as the mod approval.
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Post by arizonamarine on Feb 27, 2021 23:15:06 GMT
CGY and ARI have only had one trade this season. The Saros trade was posted by both of you independently which might be part of the confusion? The revised trade did jump the gun a bit on process but we would have come back with similar guidance to what was agreed upon. I am assuming the confusion was the acquisition of my 2020 1st and the 2021 1st. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 23:46:51 GMT
Apologize for jumping the gun. I will be reviewing everything again... but all an all i'm liking the end result that is coming along. a good win win if accepted by all
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Post by dammage79 on Feb 27, 2021 23:51:17 GMT
I guess it was only the 2020 and 2021 1st PP. But I was even convinced back on December 13th I had acquired it so I guess I've been wrong for months now.
I went and looked and it appears to be only the 2020 1st and 2021 that I had from Marine.
So apologies but I swear I thought I've had it for forever.
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Post by fordprefect on Feb 28, 2021 3:11:49 GMT
I’ll try to update the draft lists tomorrow. Good way to wreck a Sunday.
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Post by foreverflamefan on Feb 28, 2021 5:00:35 GMT
I’ll try to update the draft lists tomorrow. Good way to wreck a Sunday. Everyone's just trying to keep you mods on your toes! Haha. |
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Post by fordprefect on Feb 28, 2021 5:12:27 GMT
My toes are numb. Seriously. Diabetes.
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Post by fordprefect on Feb 28, 2021 19:10:00 GMT
Picks updated. Please verify things are correct.
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