Breakdown of Stars/Flames trade

I’m having a hard time with this trade for a few reasons, so I objected to it.

First off, Dan has said he’s leaving after this year, so I don’t think a departing GM should make deals of this magnitude. Judgement calls like that should be left to the new GM.

Aside from that, I think the balance of this deal is way off. Dahlin is a former 1st OA pick, so he has lots of hype and luster. But Nail Yakupov was a former 1st OA pick too. Consider that Dobber currently ranks Dahlin at #12, between Barrie and Krug. That’s Dobber so it’s a fantasy value, not a reflection of his skill ranking. But fantasy value is what we’re dealing with. I would not trade Romanov, who is a top 20 D prospect on Dobber, plus what amounts to 3 NHL 1st round picks for Barrie or Krug.

The clincher is the 2023 1st pp. That’s the Connor Bedard draft year, and I can’t see the Calgary roster being rebuilt enough to avoid being a lottery pick by 2023. No offense Dan. I know you have a bundle of 2022 1st PPs, but those typically take 2-3 yers to be NHL regulars, let alone major contributors.

The way I see this deal is:
Dahlin ... whose fantasy value Dobber pegs at equivalent to Barrie or Krug

For

Romanov...a top 15-20 D prospect
Kravstov....a #9 OA pick with a strong young nucleus in New York
A 2023 2nd that will be equivalent to a top 25 NHL pick
a 2023 1st that has a strong chance of becoming Connor Bedard

To me, that doesn't square.

I agree with Lyle

Seems significantly unbalanced

Whether I stay or go shouldn't have any bearing on any trade I make. I paid essentially a bunch of magic beans for a magic bean that's partially sprouted.

It's all a gamble.

I'm pretty proud of the prospect base I've built for me or the new guy. So much so that I believed I could use some of them to grab players like Dahlin of I needed.

If it gets voted down then whatever. I know I overpaid, but it wasn't without thought.

My view was on the deal itself. Has nothing to do with you staying or not. To me, my opinion only, large price to pay for Dahlin. Unless 6 people agree, the deal goes through. Let the process play out.

So toss out my concern about a departing GM making or not making trades. I still feel the trade is greatly unbalanced in fantasy terms. Debate it on those terms and rule out the departing factor.

As for departing GMs not making trades, that wasn’t meant personally. That’s the way it’s been in other leagues I’ve been in. It’s a general practice to prevent departing GMs from going scorched earth. That’s what I was basing that on. And the last word I heard was that you were leaving after this season. That was from your post back in January, so that was what I was going on. I take it that you’re reconsidering?

Again, If this gets voted down I will try to rework it. I feel Dahlin is a worthy strike.

Also I think posting your Veto reason, while good to do does influence others and therefore should probably be posted after the vote? Thoughts

If they are all 2023 then the original post is wrong and needs to be clarified by Elias as it’s stated 2022 2nd. Will need him to post up that he’s fine with that before this one goes through.

EDIT: the Fantrax post does show in the notes both are 2023. I don’t know if that changes an opinions or not but it needs to be clarified. I have edited the original post to reflect 2023 2nd.

I agree that there is some sticker shock here. But the more I digest it, the more I think it will balance out. Like Darren, I think Romanov will be a better irl defenseman than a fantasy one, and if this trade happened last year when Buffalo was only a derailment instead of a full scale disaster, I don’t think anyone would blink an eye. I think Dan’s move has some saavy, with the caveat that Buffalo will have to one day turn things around to pay off. 💰

I feel like for Dahlin I’m not just going to give him up for not the right price so I held firm until I felt like I was getting the right return for a young Dman with a lot of upside