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Post by cyclone on Oct 24, 2021 20:17:50 GMT
To ANA Hall Wideman Peterka
To MIN Crosby
Rationale: He is Sidney Freakin Crosby. There are injury risks and a high cap hit, but he is much more likely to produce than Hall…when healthy. If he stays healthy the rest of the year, I probably do well in this deal. If not, then I am risking the points I would have had with Hall, which are still substantial.
Wideman and Peterka were an affordable top up for me.
Thanks Dropit!!
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Post by sharkbait on Oct 25, 2021 6:42:03 GMT
Wow i would of offered alot more but had no ideas Crosby was on the market.. Mildly confused on this trade tbh
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Post by foreverflamefan on Oct 25, 2021 7:20:18 GMT
Wow i would of offered alot more but had no ideas Crosby was on the market.. Mildly confused on this trade tbh He posted his block a few times regarding Crosby.
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Post by sharkbait on Oct 25, 2021 16:45:18 GMT
Sorry for the late night response. The valuation is pretty bad Imo... And hard to believe someone would make a Crosby deal like that. But that's just my take
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Post by cyclone on Oct 25, 2021 18:07:29 GMT
Sorry for the late night response. The valuation is pretty bad Imo... And hard to believe someone would make a Crosby deal like that. But that's just my take That is why we have the option to protest deals we don’t think are fair. Please always feel free to exercise the right to protest if you feel strongly about a deal being unfair.
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Post by furnaceface on Oct 25, 2021 19:12:22 GMT
Yep, as the CBA says, 5 votes on Fantrax triggers the commish to cast the 6th and send the trade up for review.
Definitely not the best trade especially with Crosby coming back any day now, but also not the worst we’ve seen. Factors such as desire to compete, cap, and player preference need to be taken into account too.
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Post by cyclone on Oct 25, 2021 20:12:39 GMT
And just being clear, I was being honest when I recommended people object when they think a deal stinks. It helps ensure fairness in our league.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 1:48:10 GMT
Remember when you evaluate this trade. Ducks want points now being near the top and they are also in cap trouble as Crosby and Malkin are both on injure reserves. Because of that the ducks weren’t in a good position to negotiate.
So, if you were aware of that sharkbait. You could have made a good deal for Crosby because of the cap issues certain teams have been having.
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Post by sharkbait on Oct 26, 2021 2:53:20 GMT
thanks for advice.. but ripping someone off because they have salary issues doesn't ensure much confidence or health in a league in my opinion.. On my commisoner board in my other keeper league, I have vetoed or booted players have continually done such trades. I believe that healthy and fair trades for a league is what keeps leagues competitive but maybe I am alone in this thought.
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Post by cyclone on Oct 26, 2021 4:05:45 GMT
thanks for advice.. but ripping someone off because they have salary issues doesn't ensure much confidence or health in a league in my opinion.. On my commisoner board in my other keeper league, I have vetoed or booted players have continually done such trades. I believe that healthy and fair trades for a league is what keeps leagues competitive but maybe I am alone in this thought. The point is that that is your opinion. I believe it was a fair trade considering I am taking on more salary and an injury risk. Just because you don’t share that opinion doesn’t mean it was unfair in the eyes of others. This is why we have this democratic process. People can express their concerns. But enough need to view it the same way as you for it to be overturned. If not enough feel it is unfair, then the point is that you would be in the minority and can therefore not overturn it. It is a good process and there for a reason. I support you in expressing your opposition even though I do not share your opinion.
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Post by cyclone on Oct 26, 2021 4:07:47 GMT
Would you have the same objection to Eberle for Backstrom? It is very similar.
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Post by fordprefect on Oct 26, 2021 7:44:24 GMT
This all underscores the point I’ve been making for 2-3 seasons…that IMO the cap structure of this league is flawed and because of that it’s destroyed the value of the game’s top stars. But don’t fix that problem now after I’ve rejigged my whole strategy for this league to take advantage of the problem.
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Post by drcor on Oct 26, 2021 14:22:08 GMT
Would you have the same objection to Eberle for Backstrom? It is very similar. I would agree with you Hugh
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Post by drcor on Oct 26, 2021 14:23:16 GMT
This all underscores the point I’ve been making for 2-3 seasons…that IMO the cap structure of this league is flawed and because of that it’s destroyed the value of the game’s top stars. But don’t fix that problem now after I’ve rejigged my whole strategy for this league to take advantage of the problem. It’s only a problem if you want our league to mirror the NHL. I don’t think we do.
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Post by drcor on Oct 26, 2021 14:28:18 GMT
thanks for advice.. but ripping someone off because they have salary issues doesn't ensure much confidence or health in a league in my opinion.. On my commisoner board in my other keeper league, I have vetoed or booted players have continually done such trades. I believe that healthy and fair trades for a league is what keeps leagues competitive but maybe I am alone in this thought. Tbh, cap management is really important. Ryan put himself in this position by waiting too long to sort out the cap situation. It’s not the job of other GMs to bail him out of it. Other strategies have worked at times, and backfired at others. Like hoarding top goalies by getting lots of high UFA picks (this backfired btw). I love this league because the complexity of the gamesmanship is really stimulating. Just my two bits
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Post by dropit on Oct 26, 2021 14:54:12 GMT
Taylor Hall on a 6 million dollar contract with term is a great deal IMO, and as competing team im not waiting on Crosby to come back whenever that is.
Ive had Crosby on the block about 4 times and was offered FAR lower than this.
A first line talent in his prime years, a cheap defenseman and a 2nd round prospect hardly screams terrible to me for a 35 year old, oft injured star.
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Post by fordprefect on Oct 26, 2021 15:26:42 GMT
This all underscores the point I’ve been making for 2-3 seasons…that IMO the cap structure of this league is flawed and because of that it’s destroyed the value of the game’s top stars. But don’t fix that problem now after I’ve rejigged my whole strategy for this league to take advantage of the problem. It’s only a problem if you want our league to mirror the NHL. I don’t think we do. But we don’t mirror the NHL. They have 32 teams. We have 24 teams. Using the same cap number as a 32 team league to fit the top 24 teams worth of players is a flawed formula. As I said though, I going to be pissed if people want to change it now after I’ve just spent the last 2-3 years developing a strategy to work within the current system.
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Post by foreverflamefan on Oct 26, 2021 15:53:01 GMT
Wasn’t this league made to do the best it could to mirror today’s NHL?
Once cap space became the best currency in this league, it wasn’t shocking real-life NHL went the same route. Fleury just got traded for peanuts. I offered something for Crosby (was less than what Hugh offered) but he won the deal by offering more for an injury-prone franchise player. Hugh is taking a lot of risk, hence why Crosby’s value isn’t the same it used to be.
I think dropit cashed in fairly well here imo.
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Post by fordprefect on Oct 26, 2021 18:59:51 GMT
In the beginning, yes, this league was meant to mirror the NHL. That stopped being realistic though when we contracted to 24 teams. It is what it is. Don’t change things now though. Understand it for what it is and adapt.
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Post by redhawk12 on Oct 27, 2021 5:24:17 GMT
Our salary cap structure skews the value on some superstars for sure, and I don't find the trade to be that one-sided. The only reason why I think Dropit could have gotten a little more is because Crosby doesn't have a 10M contract and he's only saving 2.7M. But because he's so close to the cap I guess 2.7M means a lot.
I will say that player valuation in this league doesn't match that well with the NHL in real life because it's a 24 team league and the salary cap is not high enough to reflect that difference. It's why players like Benn, Toews, Karlsson and Bob have absolutely no value and players like Wheeler, Kopitar, Backstrom etc. have low value, no matter how many points they put up.
It definitely takes a little bit of experience in this league to figure out the value of players. 50-60 pt players making 3-5M are worth gold imo.
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Post by ToeMata42 on Oct 27, 2021 6:14:48 GMT
We should increase the size of this league. Add 2 new teams every year, up to 32. Personally, who and the amount of players we have on waivers, is shocking. And injuries go on reserve, freeing up cap space to dip in for quality temps. Dumping a $5mill players contract, cause your star has come off injury reserve, just doesn’t feel right…. I like this league though. Don’t get me wrong, and I’m happy the way things are. I have 2 leagues. This one, and a category league, that does weekly battles. Two very different leagues, and that works great at enhancing my hockey enjoyment. Also, I have Eberle in my other league. I play favourites with some hockey players, and he is one of them. Freeing up the cap space by trading injured backstrom, let’s me hang on to another $4mill player, I would have had to drop otherwise for another min wager…. That’s my 2 cents. Enjoy the season everyone!😀
Dan - tor
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Post by redhawk12 on Oct 27, 2021 8:26:13 GMT
I'd love to get 30+ GMs in this league again but it was tough to have that many people being active. And then players from like 10 of those teams would just never change teams. Ever.
If you guys can find super active GMs I'm all for it. I love the 32 team leagues.
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